kimberlychapman ([info]kimberlychapman) wrote,
@ 2009-01-03 21:53:00
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Some of you may recall that a few months ago, while Corran was away on business, I woke in the middle of the night with chest pains that wouldn't go away and since it was in the wee hours, I decided to play it safe and go to the only medical facility that was near me and open and listed on my insurance plan: a hospital emergency room.

Turned out the chest pains weren't a heart attack, probably just muscular, but the ER staff assured me I had done the right thing.

Medically, that is.

The final bill has now come in.

I paid $75 that day.

I wrote a cheque for $575 last month for the ER doctor.

Now the hospital would like the remaining balance of $869 and change.

And let me make this clear: this is WITH full insurance coverage at a preferred provider in the network. This is basically adding up to the yearly $1500 deductible, which Corran still hopes pertains to the year from when we came onto the plan, which would May to May, but I keep telling him I'm quite sure will be the calendar year (I read in a magazine about a woman who had a baby on December 31 but because she then stayed in hospital until Jan 1, had to pay two deductibles towards the care).

Now, should I find myself alone again and have chest pains, do you think I'll go to the hospital for help, knowing that it'll cost me so much money? We can pay this, but it's still a LOT of money. Does anyone really think that frugal me will do this again? Hell no.

So the next time, if it is a heart attack, the result will end up being more expensive because I won't go in until it's very obviously a heart attack, at which point damage will have been done.

This is the fundamental flaw of US health care: it punishes preventative care, even for the supposedly well-insured. Sensible decisions are punished, but waiting until the point of stupidity is rewarded.

Oh, it's not great for the economy either, because that's money that we sure as hell won't be spending on something else.



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[info]javagirle
2009-01-04 05:44 am UTC (link)
That is unbelievable! Health care in America is awful! We pay all this money to insurance companies so we can be taken care of and they make things as difficult as they can for us! The hospital I work for changed insurance last year and a lot of the doctors (that are on staff in the hospital) aren't even in that network because that company is so terrible at reimbursing the doctors! Luckily we switched back to our previous provider.

Maybe we should take a lesson from Canada!

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[info]kimberlychapman
2009-01-06 11:15 pm UTC (link)
I'd be happy with a more Canadian-like system. Mind you, right now I'd just even be happy with things like a patient's bill of rights, banning insurance from gouging or denying people with pre-existing conditions, and banning back-room deals that let your insurance dictate what brand of pills you can take or what doctor-ordered procedures they will or won't cover.

It's really sad that we have what's considered to be an excellent package too...

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yuck
[info]noiseinmyhead
2009-01-04 12:50 pm UTC (link)
The question I have is how do they say that obesity COSTs the hospital/nation in health care dollars when health care is a commodity.

The implication is that all fat people are not paying for their health care themselves or that chronic illnesses in people who are thin do not raise the cost of insurance.



And I am sad to say that you are right it is calendar year.

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Re: yuck
[info]kimberlychapman
2009-01-06 11:18 pm UTC (link)
It's yet another bit of bigotry against large people (I'd like to meet many skinny people I know on the bike trail and we'll see who's more fit!), but it's also just the industry's way of pointing fingers at everyone but themselves.

Besides, thin people are never diabetic, never get cancer, never get pregnant, never get in car accidents, etc. It's us fatty-fatty-fat-fats to blame because we...uh...oh yeah, we are so disease-ridden that the thin people get false positives just by having to live near us. Really, we should be rounded up and forced into camps. Yes, that's it. They can lure us with buffets because we all just love to eat all day.

Me, bitter? Nah... :D

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[info]elephant_luv
2009-01-04 01:38 pm UTC (link)
i can't even imagine those costs! I was on my parent's insurance and had to pay only copays, nothing more. No deductible, thankfully. And now with the military, it's all free. We'd be so screwed if we had to pay for anything extra.

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[info]kimberlychapman
2009-01-06 11:21 pm UTC (link)
A lot of people I know wouldn't make rent if they had to pay this bill, and we supposedly have the top of the line package from this insurer. I shudder to think what the lowest package is! Must be a boot to the head as they steal your wallet!

I've heard good and bad about the military care. Much as I'm a peacenik and all, I absolutely support 100% full coverage of all medical, dental, and vision for all armed forces members and their immediate families in perpetuity. It doesn't matter what I think about the war; anyone who puts their life on the line for their country ought to be rewarded with top-notch free care for the rest of their lives.

I also approve of the programs that give military personnel and their families free university education, and believe they should be expanded.

And they say we liberals don't support the troops. :)

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[info]elephant_luv
2009-01-07 01:40 am UTC (link)
well our dental and vision isn't 100% covered as dependants... :(

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[info]kimberlychapman
2009-01-07 04:10 am UTC (link)
That sucks. They totally should be. All military families should be free of all medical worries for their whole lives. Anything less is an insult to the people who put their lives on the line for their country. :(

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[info]little_ms_me
2009-01-04 02:17 pm UTC (link)
that's so ridiculous! god.

american friends get really upset when i say that i'm not super patriotic, but i'm damn glad i'm not american, but honestly, this is exactly why. it has nothing to do with stereotypes (which is usually what i get accused of), and everything to do with the lack of decent healthcare, the lack of marriage rights (not that i'm a huge supporter of the gay marriage fight, but the fact that you DON'T have it is really indicative of discrimination, etc that exists), the lack of reproductive rights state to state, etc, etc.

i LOOOVE portland, and i'd much rather live there instead of vancouver (if it weren't for my family being here), but they have no healthcare. they have NO HEALTHCARE. it doesn't matter how amazing the crafty community is there, how amazing the fat activism community is there, how amazing the queer community is there, because i need healthcare. i have a lot of friends who've lived down there and then come back up for healthcare, but i go to the dr monthly, and that's just too often for my body to make the trip.

now i'm going to be completely canadian and point out that we suck for preventative care here as well! but we really do, BC at least. ESPECIALLY for mental health issues. (thank you gordon campbell, you bastard) unless you are already suicidal, there is absolutely nothing available unless you can pay for it yourself. you would think that helping people BEFORE they became suicidal might be a good idea in the long run, but we've had so many cuts that none of the service can.

i think you're right for the calendar year as well. it just occurred to me last night that i should have picked up my prescription before the 31st, so that it would have been included in last year's deductible. not a major issue, since my deductible is $75 or something for my extended coverage, and god knows i'll be getting more prescriptions filled (because BC doesn't cover ANY of my prescriptions, not even the super common arthritis one).

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[info]kimberlychapman
2009-01-06 11:34 pm UTC (link)
I get accused of being anti-American all the time (did you see a couple of months ago when, in decrying the sorry state of health care, an ex-LJ-friend called me a bigot over it?!), but I keep saying that I'm not anti-American, I'm anti-stupidity, and it's not my fault that there's a lot of stupidity in US health care, foreign policy, environmental policy, etc.

And really, most Americans I know aren't interested in talking about things I can complain about in Canada or Australia or whatever. I've got plenty of issues with those governments over the years!

Health care in Ontario was far from perfect. I'll readily admit that when I first got to Vegas, I was shocked that I could get an x-ray by walking into a clinic, no appointment needed, when the same sort of thing was about a two-week wait in Toronto. And on that insurance, it didn't cost anything. However, as Vegas' population grew, by the time we left, Peo had to wait weeks and weeks for her CT scan and we paid a huge copay for it.

I'm sure there are other places in the US that deliver faster care than some places in Canada, but the reverse is also true. Someone pointed out to me how their friend near Ottawa had to drive a long way and wait a long time for cancer treatments. But duh, Ottawa's practically rural and surrounded by farmland...I'm betting people in the middle of farmland in the US have to drive a long way and wait for appointments too, AND it'll cost them thousands of dollars even if they're insured. Hell, there's at least one or two deep-south states that only have one abortion clinic left in the whole STATE.

Attitudes are shifting, though. It's less, "rah rah USA, we're the BEST so nobody's system can possibly be better, woooooot!" and more, "Heyyyyyyy...how come THEY have something WE don't have?!" Now they need to make the leap to do what they need to do to get it, part of which is the shift from, "Why should I pay for everyone else?" to the more Canadian-like, "Geez, this sucks but I'm glad everyone else is paying for me."

Oh, and the drug coverage in Canada sucks, but at least they're nationally price-capped. Down here, it's now illegal for the state systems to even price-bargain with drug companies. How fucked up is that? It makes it clear who is really in control here...

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[info]little_ms_me
2009-01-04 02:24 pm UTC (link)
also, [info]elephant_luv reminded me of the other thing that i find so incredibly sad about the US system... i'm so adamantly anti-war, and tend to have a fairly low tolerance level for all of the "oh, boo-hoo, s/he's leaving his family right before christmas", etc, etc stories that you see in the media, because quite frankly, they chose to join up. they made that choice, and the person who married them made the choice to marry them.

but i have a higher tolerance for it when i hear the US versions of the stories, because maybe they didn't make the choice the same way. maybe they have a family member who needed healthcare. i have several friends whose spouses have seriously considered joining the military because they needed medical benefits. that is so incredibly sad to me, that people would join the military and go off to foreign countries (to fight for oil!), just because their family can't afford medical care for a member with an on-going condition, or because the only way they'll ever have children is with medical intervention, and they can't afford it.

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[info]kimberlychapman
2009-01-06 11:41 pm UTC (link)
A lot of low-income people join the military in the US because it's their only way to afford post-secondary education too, especially non-whites. There are reasons why most of the fighting troops are low-income, skew so heavily non-white, and tend to come from poorer states.

I felt the same way until I learned how vast the numbers are, and some of the truly despicable tricks recruiters use to nab people. Honestly, they're practically press-ganged in some areas.

That being said, most (certainly not all, but most) of the military people I have known here (and most were in Vegas so that should be kept in mind) skewed highly conservative and regularly voted Republican. So while they have my sympathy in terms of why they joined and I do believe (as I said above in a comment) that they should be given totally free health care and university education for them and their family, there does reach the point where I don't want to hear a boo-hoo from someone who voted for Bush twice, you know? Or hear a health care boo-hoo from someone who consistently votes for politicians who cut troop health care. I mean, duh, really.

But that applies to all people, I guess, not just the military. I've known some vitriolic anti-gay people who vote republican to block gay marriage or abortion rights and then boo-hoo when the government makes it even harder to be poor. Well duh. You get what you voted for, dumbasses. And I have no pity for the pleading of ignorance...anyone who didn't know how bad things would be under Bush, especially for the second time around, had to have been living under a rock. And now Bush is taking the rock away, boo-hoo...

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